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Title: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on July 30, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Hello I'm looking to try and eventually make 320ppm
So I don't have to take 4 cups of water of 20ppm a day

I was thinking to start with 100ml of water and I have a Silverton...ive got dextrose and used that and washing soda for the electrolyte...but from what I read and understand is I will need to book at the same time and have a stirrrert at the same time as I run the Silverton ....


Here is what I am thinking...

Get a hotplate with a stirrer (magnetic?)
...mason jar on the hotplate mix with distilled water and electrolyte.
Boil ...turn on silvertron .keep a boil as low temp as possible...once timer complete...add cinnimon extract (kosher so can't do gelatin) to stabilize.

Let sit to cool

that sound about right or if anyone has a pic of their setup with the silvertron
..I've got v1 ...would be awesome
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on July 30, 2018, 07:30:10 PM
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/club-house-pure-cinnamon-extract-43-ml/6000188767107

Cinnimon extract I'm looking to use.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: kephra on July 30, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
Gelatin is much better.  If you really want to use cinnamon, you would be better off to make your own extract.

For gelatin:
Start with 250ml cold distilled water.
Add 2 grams Knox unflavored gelatin, let sit for 5 minutes.
Heat with stirring to a simmer.... boiling not necessary.
Add 5 drops electrolyte.
Add minimum 5 drops Karo corn syrup.
Start electrolysis.

Note that mason jars are not heat proof, and there is a risk of the jar breaking on a hot plate.

Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on July 30, 2018, 10:30:20 PM
Thanks this will help ...thought it had to reach a consistent boil for some reason...thanks for the info...

I can't do gelatin due to the pork and it not being kosher...unless I could find some pectin as a sub and see how that works ?
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on July 30, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
O or I can try and find pure beef gelatin
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: cfnisbet on July 31, 2018, 04:40:27 AM
I would have thought that a kosher store might have certified kosher beef gelatine. That would be a good place to start, anyway.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on July 31, 2018, 11:11:38 AM
Great Lakes Gelatin Collagen Hydrolysate (Kosher) 454-Grams (Canadian Labelling) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07BQBLH69/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_PRhyBbB1F6B14

Actually this might not work and I might have to go with the straight gelatin beef option.

So I am thinking to actually form the gelatin has to heat up ...hydrolyzed collagen does not need heat to absorb but I'm not sure if it interacts the same way to stabilize the silver...for instance it's not normally used for gelling things sand the same properties that help stabilize the silver could be the same thing that stabalizes the silver... I'm not a rocket surgeon just yet...perhaps one day when I have time when the kids are grown up

Thanks all!
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 01, 2018, 07:55:46 PM
So here is what I have and gonna try and hope this works

Modified Kephra's notes

Start with 250ml cold distilled water.
Add 2 grams beef gelatin, let sit for 5 minutes.
Heat with stirring to a simmer.... boiling not necessary. I'll put it in a pot and slowly bring to simmer.
Add 5 drops electrolyte. -Washing soda and distilled water mixture
Add minimum 5 drops Karo corn syrup. Half teaspoon of dextrose
Put it mason jar stick silver and Cath(a)nodes on and set to 320mm 6ma and
Start electrolysis.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 02:23:27 AM
so i couldnt get the silvertron to work properly reading 10 to 20v

first i tried this



Start with 250ml cold distilled water in a 250 ml beaker
Add 2 grams beef gelatin, let sit for 5 minutes.
stirred with a magnetic stirrer
Then heated  to a simmer... on a stove cause the stirrer isnt a hot plate as well
Add 5 drops electrolyte. -Washing soda and distilled water mixture - prob put closer to 7 drops
Add minimum 5 drops Karo corn syrup. Half teaspoon of dextrose ( put in a bit more than half a teaspoon
put the mason jar cap on the beaker popped in both silver to start to the black and the red
Start electrolysis.

could only get about 4 to 5 reading  - the silver rod went reeally black

red a few things about trying a thinner cable

i cut up some coax and stripped it and got better - around 8v

have any suggestions on this? i cant really seperate the nodes apart any further being that it is a thin 250ml beaker. does the electrolye or the dextrose affect the resistance causing a lower voltage or am i missing something?

Ill follow up with some pics too
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
and one more of the silvertron settings - its not running at this point but shows the 320 and 6ma
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: kephra on August 10, 2018, 06:35:19 AM
If you can't get the voltage up to 10, you probably have too much electrolyte, or your electrolyte is too strong.

How deep in the water is your negative electrode, and how far for your positive?

Why did you add dextrose?

If you space your electrodes farther apart, then you need to increase the minimum voltage.  10 volts minimum is for a spacing of 1.5 inches.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 11:22:22 AM
okay thanks i am pretty sure that i put to much electrolyte - ill try again in a little bit

i could only get around 8v when the negative was pretty much just touching the water - and i was moving around the positive and that wasn't changing anything

the dextrose is the reducing agent

i was using your mason jar cutout which looks 1.5 inches so ill continue to use that and try less electrolyte

I just want to make sure cause i see others in the forum appear to be keeping heat on while the electrolysis is running - Can i add the gelatin stir for 5 minutes  then go simmer / to a near boil - then take it off and come back and add the dextrose and start the electrolysis?

and when i was making the 20 ppm i did the electrolysis first then I  boiled the water and added the dextrose guessing that part of the order doesn't matter as long as the water is hot?

Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: kephra on August 10, 2018, 12:40:41 PM
Don't use the dextrose...  Karo is the reducing agent.
You need the keep the solution hot continuously.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 01:00:51 PM
o okay i try to stay away from corn syrups thats all so i didnt buy it - i mean its not alot going in there anyways so i can bite the bullet and get some

i saw this post so i thought dextrose would be better

https://www.cgcsforum.com/index.php?topic=2552.msg28204#msg28204

Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: kephra on August 10, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
But you said you added 5 drops of Karo.
Dextrose is just plain glucose, and is not as good as Karo.
Karo corn syrup is half glucose and half maltose.
Also, a half teaspoon of dextrose is a huge amount compared to 5 drops of corn syrup.


Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 01:33:43 PM
o okay so i need maltose as well - sorry i meant to mean the dextrose was used to replace the karo syrup
 

what kind of karo corn syrup ?
 i found some darker stuff that has a bunch of bad stuff in it sodium benzoate  caramel color flavor

the light stuff looks fine although it has vanilla in it

 will something like this work fine?

https://www.amazon.ca/Karo-Light-Corn-Syrup-16/dp/B00061EYDW/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1533922155&sr=8-1&keywords=karo+corn+syrup

Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: kephra on August 10, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Thats the right Karo.
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on August 10, 2018, 06:23:33 PM
great thanks ill buy the light karo syrup and try again when i get my hotplate :D thanks for the help!
Title: Re: 320ppm batch to make ...first time
Post by: Thelegend on September 17, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
So finally got the karo syrup -
put in some distilled water gelatin- let sit for 5 mins ---

 heated - set for 15ma -  was having issues getting above 10 ( was hovering around 9 - i eventually got it though - raising the coppper above a bit and eventually the silver as well.. - after about a minute or so i got it and stable from 10-12

half way had the adjust  the copper down a bit

then random spots had to adjust again a few times to make sure it was between 10 and 20

pic or didnt happen is attached -  ill dilute and see wwhat i get - its to dark for me to tell if it is good or not.